Erik: Joining me now is billionaire financier Robert Friedland, best known as the founder and CEO of Ivanhoe Mining. But perhaps more relevantly to this conversation, Robert is also the chairman and CEO of Ivanhoe Capital Corporation. The private venture capital and family office enterprise, which invests in a lot of fascinating technologies that I want to talk to Robert about today in this interview.
Listeners, if you didn't catch it in the introduction with Patrick Ceresna. Please be sure to first listen to my two interviews with Robert on the subject of greening the global economy on the Smarter Markets podcast, because what we're going to do in today's interview is to expound on that conversation. If you didn't hear that conversation, today's conversation isn't going to make sense.
Robert, let's start not with those topics. But with you as an investor because your mind absolutely fascinates me. You wowed our Smarter Markets audience with the story of Camel Polo in the snow on your albino racing camel. So we kind of have this vision of Robert Friedland as the camel riding mining executive who sounds like an Indiana Jones kind of character. But you were one of the principal investors and creators of satellite radio Sirius and XM Satellite Radio. So I'm just trying to imagine how does a mining executive sit down one day and say, Hey, I think I'll take advantage of advancements in MOSFET transistors and, you know, invent Sirius XM radio? How do you know about all these things, and thorium reactors and all the other things that we're going to talk about today?
Josh Crumb- Founder & CEO, Abaxx Technologies Inc.
Joe Raia- Chief Commercial Officer, Abaxx Exchange
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Erik Townsend: [00:00:29] MacroVoices Spotlight episode six was recorded on March 11th, 2021. I'm Erik Townsend.
When we had Kyle Bass on MacroVoices and talked about Singapore really becoming the heir apparent to Hong Kong as Hong Kong loses some of its independence from China. Kyle brought up Abaxx Technologies, a company that both Kyle and I have invested in. And when I asked him about it, he said, look, you really have to get Josh Crumb, the CEO of Abaxx on your show to talk about all the different dimensions of this because, as Kyle put it, he said, look, frankly, I invested because they're doing something cool in Singapore with natural gas and because Josh Crumb is involved and frankly, Josh Crumb's the only guy who really understands all the dimensions of this in his head. So we're following up on that advice.
Erik: Joining me now is JDI Research founder Juliette Declercq, who is perhaps best known for her incredible graphs and charts. So you're not going to want to miss the download for this week's interview.
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Bonsoir Juliette! It's great to have you back. I want to start with a question. We're asking everyone which is secular inflation, is it really about to happen? Some people say this is the late 1960s. We're about to have a massive inflation driven by all of the government stimulus and everything that's expected. And frankly, at this point, I really hope you're a deflationist because we've been looking for one.
Erik: Joining me now is Diego Parrilla, a portfolio manager for Quadriga Asset Management and best selling of the books, "The Anti-Bubbles" and "The Energy World is Flat". Diego it's great to have you back on the program. A man who follows energy markets and whether or not they're flat or not, I gotta believe is thinking about inflation. But I'd rather have you tell me you're a deflationist because we can't seem to find any smart deflationist left. Let's start with inflation versus deflation. How do you see the whole story?
Diego Parrilla: Well, thank you for having me back. Look, I think the endgame is inflation for sure. But what is very important to understand is they're very very strong forces in both directions. Clearly, on the deflationary side, we're dealing with, you know, potentially unemployment. Obviously, the economy is recovering but still lagging substantially. We have technological benefits and considerations that are deflationary. We have demographics, we have overcapacity, we have malinvestment, we have potential bubbles, which are hugely deflationary. So all these things point one way, however, there's just one thing, or one major force on the other side, which is money printing in the trillions. That is basically more than offsetting them all and beyond. So it's almost as if the more deflation in the system, the bigger of an excuse, and the more room, central banks have to print or try to print their way out.
Erik: Joining me now is Ole Hansen, head of commodity strategy for Saxo Bank. Ole has prepared a slide deck in association with today's interview.
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Ole it's great to have you back on the podcast, boy commodities, kind of forgotten it seems by most people in the macro world for the last few years, and all of a sudden Whammo, it seems as if the commodity sector overall has bottomed and reversed quite vigorously. Would you agree with that assessment? And how would you describe the macro drivers? What's going on here? Is it just a bump? Is it a dead cat bounce? Are we really seeing a secular return to a commodity bull market?